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Don’t Use Square
Square is an American payment platform. You may have seen vendors use their physical checkout system. I used Square's online invoicing system to invoice my clients and receive payments. After a series of bad experiences with Square, I won't anymore, and I suggest you don't, either.
Square's invoicing system is simple: you add a client, send them an invoice, and they pay it online on a page hosted by Square. Square then receives the funds on your behalf and keeps a processing fee (2.9% plus $0.30 at the time of writing). After a few days, they automatically transfer the money to your linked bank account.
In early July, I changed my bank-account information. On July 10th, Square informed me they had placed a hold on my account on July 5th because they were worried somebody had gained unauthorized access. Payouts were frozen. Five days is an awfully long time to wait to inform users that their account may have been compromised.
I called Square immediately and asked what was going on. I let them know it was me who had changed my bank-account information. They said they were looking into it and informed me I'd be able to continue invoicing my clients, which I did.
The problem persisted about a week later, on July 18th. I contacted Square via their support chat and requested an update as well as access to my funds. Here's an excerpt from my chat with a rep named Mafer:
Mafer:
I’ve escalated this to the Square Secure Team for further investigation and they will be following up with you directly to assist in addressing your concerns. They will reach out to you directly as the Support Team does not have more insight into your account at this time.
Me:
“directly” meaning email?
Mafer:
That’s correct 😊
Me:
when
Mafer:
Should be in the next 48 hours
I did not hear from them within 48 hours. So I had to contact them again. This time I tried their online contact form and wrote on July 25th (excerpt):
A hold was placed on my account on 7/5 due to alleged suspicious activity.
I was only made aware of this on 7/10 and then called your support.
I followed up on 7/18 over chat requesting access to my funds and was told somebody would get back to me within 48 hours.
It's been a week since and I haven't heard from you. I have been patient. I demand immediate access to my funds.
The next day, on July 26th, I received an email from Square. They had sent it to an old email address I do not use to log in to Square anymore (!). They did not refer to my earlier communications. Instead, they informed me, again, that they had "detected some unusual activity on [my] Square account" and that they'd hold my funds. They also requested a call from me.
I called them the same day and spoke to another rep. She said they needed to call me on an old number; a number which I used many years ago to sign up for Square. I explained that I haven’t owned that number in years so I could not receive phone calls there.
She asked me to add my Google Voice number for 2FA. I did so. She said she will note that down and somebody will email me within 48 hours. She also said to call them if I don’t hear from them within that timeframe.
Nobody emailed me. On July 30th, I contacted their chat support again (can't call them on weekends). They apologized and said, again, that somebody would email me.
Then, on July 31st, I suddenly received an automated email informing me that payouts had been re-enabled. It contained no explanation, but at least I thought this ordeal was over.
However, the next day, on August 1st, I received an email saying payouts had been disabled again until I provide additional information about my business. Payouts had now been disabled for almost a month by this time.
Here's a quote from their email (bold in the original):
Right now, you can still continue to accept payments. However, until we can confirm your information, your funds will be held in your Square account. You will not be able to transfer your funds into your bank account and they will not be accessible on your Square Card.
Once we confirm your information, the funds will be released and available both for transfer and for use on Square Card.
That's manipulative. They count on the fact that most people will cave and provide the information under threat of not receiving their money.
Their email linked to a form. It was clear from the form that this time, the reason that payouts had been disabled was that a client of mine had repeatedly tried to use a card that didn't work. I guess that raised a red flag with Square.
I filled out the form and provided most of the requested information plus explanations. Some of the information, however, I was not willing to provide. For example, they asked for my three most recent bank statements. That's none of their business. They also asked for invoices that I had created using their system, meaning they already had those invoices, which seems lazy and unnecessary. Lastly, they asked how I made sure the card my client "presented to" me was legit, but that’s their responsibility as a payment provider; that’s what I pay them for. No card had ever been presented to me: it had been presented to Square, on their website. (Maybe they don't distinguish between vendors using their hardware to swipe cards and people like me who exclusively use their online payment system and never see any physical cards. Vendors can do things like check the signature on the back of a credit card, and they can ask to see an ID to check if the name matches that on the credit card; being online only, I can't do any of that.)
After I submitted their form, I received an automated email saying they’ll get back to me "within 2 business days". And: "[W]e will continue to hold the funds in your Square account and you will not be able to transfer them or use them on Square Card." (Bold in the original.)
The next day, on August 2nd, I received an email saying my account had been deactivated altogether, that the decision is final, and that I'd receive my funds after October 31st. Notably, they had not told me before sending me their form that I'd get my money even if I don't fill it out to their satisfaction.
To summarize: Square manipulates customers into providing information under threat of refusing payouts. In addition, their customer support was slow and unresponsive overall. They repeatedly promised that somebody would reach out within a certain timeframe and then broke those promises. I would not trust them with my money again, and you shouldn't, either.
If you know of a replacement payment processor, leave a comment below. PayPal once pulled a similarly manipulative stunt on me to get information (though not quite as bad), so I don't recommend using them, either. I suppose crypto currencies are an option but I don't know much about them and the volatile exchange rate is a risk.
Update 2022-11-10
Their account-deactivation email from 2022-08-02 said that "[a]ny funds currently in your account balance will be held for a period of 90 days and released to you on October 31, 2022. They’ll be available in your bank account within 2 business days."
It is now 2022-11-10, so over a week past their own deadline, and I still have not received the funds.
I have waited over three months and Square owes me thousands of dollars.
I contacted them on 2022-11-06:
Your account-deactivation email from 2022-08-02 said that "Any funds currently in your account balance will be [...] released to you on October 31, 2022."
Today is 2022-11-06 and I have yet to receive those funds. Release them IMMEDIATELY. If you do not, I will pursue this matter relentlessly.
Dennis Hackethal
"Liz B." responded the next day:
Hi Dennis Charles,
After a comprehensive review of your account, we have determined that we are still unable to process payments for your business. Our decision to deactivate your account is final.
We understand that it can be frustrating to have your account deactivated. However, due to security concerns and the obligations of our agreements with card networks and other financial institutions, we cannot provide additional details.
For more information about our policies on this matter, please review sections 12 and 13 of our General Terms of Service.
Liz B.
Square Account Services
This is a non-answer because I did not request a reactivation of my account. I responded that same day:
Hi,
You phrase your email as if I had requested a reactivation of my account. I had not. I want a payout of the money in my account.
You owe me [amount]. You promised on 2022-08-02, in writing, that you would transfer that money on 2022-10-31. It is now 2022-11-07. You're a week late.
Transfer that amount to me immediately.
Dennis Hackethal
Her response:
Hi Dennis Charles,
After a comprehensive review of your account, we have determined that we are still unable to process payments for your business. Our decision to deactivate your account is final.
We understand that it can be frustrating to have your account deactivated. However, due to security concerns and the obligations of our agreements with card networks and other financial institutions, we cannot provide additional details.
For more information about our policies on this matter, please review sections 11 and 12 of our General Terms of Service.
Liz B.
Square Account Services
It's the exact same email, verbatim! Only the section numbers have changed. So the claim that they've performed a "comprehensive review" is a lie.
I figured "Liz B." isn't actually a person, but a robot.
I went online to try chatting with a customer rep. The button to do so was broken. So I called them instead and ended up speaking with Yvonne from ‘account services’. She assured me that humans respond to emails – which makes Liz's emails worse, IMO, not better. She also told me she needs to escalate this matter to their 'security team' and that I'd hear from them before noon the next day (i.e., 2022-11-08). It is now two days later and I have not heard from anyone. Given their unreliable nature, I doubt I ever will.
I will continue documenting their bad practices. I've also left a review on Google Maps, another one on Trustpilot, and another with the Better Business Bureau (which they need to approve manually so it doesn't show yet).
Square is a dishonest company and I cannot emphasize enough that you should avoid doing business with them.
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It looks like you screwed up just as much as Square dead. you didn't update an email when you changed emails that's on you you didn't update to a new phone number when you change numbers again that's on you and any credit card company would act this way! Also they ask for bank statements to ensure it's an active account there's information on there that the bank cannot legally give out but a credit card company does require. So it looks like they did everything within the law and it was your screw up for the beginning.
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Kinda fool continue taking payments when your account was on holdKinda fool continue taking payments when your account was on hold
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Very informative Dennis and unfortunately we hear this all the time with Square. Since they are only a payment facilitator and not a payment processor you are basically a “sub-merchant” account and at their mercy. We have helped a lot of people get away from them. I know a few good Square replacements and can get you a direct merchant account setup. Let me know if you want more info, <email address redacted by admin>
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Square had my up-to-date email address on file. When I wrote that they sent an email "to an old email address I do not use to log in to Square anymore", I meant that they did so despite having my new email. I may update that line for clarity.
Square isn't a credit-card company. They're a payment processor.
I realize that. I don't think it would have helped anyway since no amount of activity in my bank account could convince them that my client is not a fraudster. (Recall that this particular issue was caused by my client's cards being declined repeatedly.)
I disagree. Even if their closing my account was legitimate – and I don't think it was – that is a separate issue from them keeping my money past their self-imposed deadline without explanation. I cannot imagine that the latter is legal.
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On second thought, re when I wrote:
I don't think I need to update that line. The implication is that, when I log in to Square using some email address, Square must have that email address on file. (Otherwise I wouldn't be able to log in with it.)
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I am admin with Square. I saw your post on square group and I declined it. I have sent you a private message. Check your message request under Saviour Asuquo to resolve this issue
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this guy didn't end up doing anything.
he deleted my post even though it was exactly the kind of thing the fb group description asked for.
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NYT article about Square making it harder for small businesses during the pandemic by increasing their money-withholding practice with little warning. But publicly they present themselves as caring about small businesses.
There is a petition with over 3,000 signatures on change.org to end this shady practice:
The petition links to https://squarevictims.org but unfortunately that site isn't working for me at the moment.
I've signed the petition to show my support.
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