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An archive of my tweets and retweets through . They may be formatted slightly differently than on Twitter. API access has since gotten prohibitively expensive – I don't know whether or when I'll be able to update this archive.
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@MorkSamuel @DuncJake @trunarla @GIPHY
If you're annoyed I suggest again that we take a break. Otherwise I'm not sure how fruitful this conversation is going to be.
@MorkSamuel @DuncJake @trunarla @GIPHY
That's a common but invalid method for judging ideas.
@MorkSamuel @DuncJake @trunarla @GIPHY
Its super weird of you to claim that women inherenty have diffirent reasons to show their face.
That's not exactly what I said but you seem to be judging whether my view may be right by how much it differs from yours. If it differs sufficiently, you consider it to be false.
@MorkSamuel @DuncJake @trunarla @GIPHY
You write carelessly btw, eg this tweet of yours is really bad in terms of spelling and grammar: twitter.com/MorkSamuel/sta…
@MorkSamuel @DuncJake @trunarla @GIPHY
I had previously looked through YouTube search results and also found lots of ppl with facecam.
@MorkSamuel @DuncJake @trunarla @GIPHY
If the latter, I even granted that you may well be right when I wrote "But assuming you're right, I've explained that men do it for different reasons, and they profit from it in different ways."
@MorkSamuel @DuncJake @trunarla @GIPHY
yes, it is obvious that most streamers have facecam. > Your insistance that this isnt the case [...]
My insistence that it's not obvious or that it isn't true that most streamers have facecam? If the former, pointing out once that the truth isn't obvious is hardly insisting.
Explain Irrational Minds!: blog.dennishackethal.com/posts/explain-…
I thought the movie was great but I couldn’t quite tell if Aaron Paul’s voice had really changed that much or if he was trying to sound like be Batman. Threw me off a little.
@paulg @engineers_feed @YouTube
I read somewhere that one shouldn't combine blockers because they can interfere with each other. Can't find the source right now.
RT @ComicDaveSmith:
The Martha’s Vineyard thing might be the best and clearest example of what so many of us have been talking about for ye…
And are these content creators almost always acting against yours or their own preferences, in your view?
Okay so that is your personal preference, not everyone in the world has the exact same preferences as you.
Of course not, but when you wrote:
Yeah, along with like pretty much every content creator regardless of their gender
weren't you implying that everyone shares yours?
@Nateemerson @denzilv @trunarla
To combat bullying and abuse...we should shame and blame...the target?
No, of course not.
Pls provide a quote where I "shame and blame" her.
For me that'd be a reason to leave out my face. Just so I and others can focus on the code.
Yeah, along with like pretty much every content creator regardless of their gender
I have created content around code and do not do it to gain social status.
I will admit though I do find it surprising that you're that preoccupied about your appearance for your videos.
@MorkSamuel @DuncJake @VapeJuiceJordan @trunarla
Some evidence that ugly women are treated the same by society as beautiful ones would help, too.
@MorkSamuel @DuncJake @VapeJuiceJordan @trunarla
So what does it take to make you admit you're wrong?
Probably an argument along the lines of why my understanding of the differences between male and female cultures is wrong, or one that shows that one shouldn't entertain that such differences even exist.
@MorkSamuel @DuncJake @VapeJuiceJordan @trunarla
But assuming you're right, I've explained that men do it for different reasons, and they profit from it in different ways.
I don't think I've ever claimed that men generally don't facecam, but a quote would easily convince me otherwise.
@MorkSamuel @DuncJake @VapeJuiceJordan @trunarla
You seem to be unwilling to admit the very obvious fact that nearly all successful streamers use facecam, including guys.
Again I don't think we have such statistics and even then calling it 'obvious' would be problematic.
@MorkSamuel @DuncJake @VapeJuiceJordan @trunarla
These things aren't obvious. The truth is hard to come by (Karl Popper).
@MorkSamuel @DuncJake @VapeJuiceJordan @trunarla
You've been making [...] statements that are obviously false. [...] The problem isn't that I'm being [...] unwilling to consider your point [...]
Those sentences are directly at odds because by calling my view "obviously false" you absolutely are unwilling to consider it.
@MorkSamuel @DuncJake @VapeJuiceJordan @trunarla
And that only women get more views from having facecam...
I don't doubt that men get more views from having facecams.
@MorkSamuel @DuncJake @VapeJuiceJordan @trunarla
If you can show me that less than 50% of successful male streamers show their face cam, and that the reverse is true of women.
I'm not aware of any such statistics so that won't work.
@Nateemerson @t3dotgg @PeteRockefeller @trunarla @benawad @ThePrimeagen
pls quote something i've said that's like the tweets i've linked to
@Nateemerson @denzilv @trunarla
ok, now consider that what i'm getting at might help alleviate those doldrums?
doesn't 'cute' mean something different for men and women?
couldn't some ppl find the face distracting and connect worse with the content as a result?
yes my bad i was looking at a later timestamp where the bottom third was just logs not code
@Nateemerson @t3dotgg @PeteRockefeller @trunarla @benawad @ThePrimeagen
my intention is neither to objectify nor belittle, nor am i feeling funny or angry
you don't seem to be taking what i say literally. you're viewing it through your own prejudiced lens and then getting mad at me because you're reading things i didn't say
women do it to look attractive
no, they look attractive to gain followers and social status
they can't just do porn because it's heavily stigmatized, it would cause them to lose status (also porn is probably difficult to do for other reasons)
RT @RonPaul:
America was never meant to be an Empire.
Empire's go broke!
America was meant to be an example to the world. A "land of the…
RT @YasMohammedxx:
As much as I hate hijab, everything it stands for, and all the ways it harms women, I do not want it banned. I think tha…
RT @SahilBloom:
To make continuous improvements, here's a concept you must understand:
My guess is his claim was that I'm wrong because I lack social skills.
Moreover those two tweets are meant to show that I do not have a closed mind about this issue.
wow did you have this on hand or did you make this?
anyway i'm def open to being wrong about this, see
and
@Mikeymi72465975 @t3dotgg @PeteRockefeller @trunarla @benawad @ThePrimeagen @thephysicsgirl
i count three shots with her face
@Mikeymi72465975 @t3dotgg @PeteRockefeller @trunarla @benawad @ThePrimeagen @thephysicsgirl
the implication is that she's naked in the shower
men will see the thumbnail and click on it hoping they get to see as much skin as possible
@Mikeymi72465975 @t3dotgg @PeteRockefeller @trunarla @benawad @ThePrimeagen @thephysicsgirl
you sure? youtube.com/shorts/6kARg-U…
@t3dotgg @PeteRockefeller @trunarla @benawad @ThePrimeagen
i think it'd be comparable if a muscular male programmer slightly flexed his muscles on screen, in a way you couldn't really call him on
plausible deniability is a big part of this
like if this guy chose to flex his tricep in the thumbnail. but he didn't! youtube.com/watch?v=fv0RkE…
@t3dotgg @PeteRockefeller @trunarla @benawad @ThePrimeagen
I meant to say 'if I was pressed'
@t3dotgg @PeteRockefeller @trunarla @benawad @ThePrimeagen
check out the comments underneath her video:
twitter.com/jamie__pete/st…
twitter.com/RajerTuring/st…
twitter.com/Esqueda_LopezC…
twitter.com/Michaelsenesie…
twitter.com/PatrickDRobert…
twitter.com/hamzasindhu13/…
twitter.com/alanfans/sta…
lol the last one
@t3dotgg @PeteRockefeller @trunarla @benawad @ThePrimeagen
compare to this guy that i picked more or less at random youtube.com/watch?v=h1vQb9…
he's not trying to look cute or desirable at all
he's got some pimples on his face, no makeup (not insulting just describing)
still unnecessary to see his face imo but his intentions are different
@t3dotgg @PeteRockefeller @trunarla @benawad @ThePrimeagen
it's different for men because it's less about looking desirable
on the surface the linked video is about coding but it's also a lot about looking attractive
if was pressed for both time and real estate i wouldn't show my face at all but that's just me
@PeteRockefeller @trunarla @benawad @t3dotgg @ThePrimeagen
at 44 secs she has to move her face around so it doesn't cover up the code
@PeteRockefeller @trunarla @benawad @t3dotgg @ThePrimeagen
Yes but the point is Pokimane will get more followers for advertising her sexuality.
also look at this one: twitter.com/pokecoder/stat…
ffw to 10 seconds
@PeteRockefeller @trunarla @benawad @t3dotgg @ThePrimeagen
No, I’m saying he streams his face for different reasons than Pokimane
However, if you're convinced otherwise, that's on you.
I just said I'm open to being wrong about this.
Name some of the data points please?
@PeteRockefeller @trunarla @benawad @t3dotgg @ThePrimeagen
I haven't seen theirs but those of men that I have seen they just happen to be handsome but that's not a significant part of why they're streaming their faces.
Compare pewdiepie and pokimane and tell me you don't see a difference there?
@MorkSamuel @DuncJake @VapeJuiceJordan @trunarla
Well, it seems your mind is made up. Or is there some way one could convince you that you're wrong?
Good. Your video is plain, there's nothing distracting from the code, you won't gain followers or social status for looking cute.
Compare your video with e.g. pokimane's
I'm open to the idea that I lack social skills, but I don't think you know enough about me to conclude that I lack them.
Yes but when men do it they don't do it to look cute and gain followers that way.
When men show their faces while streaming it's usually not to look cute. E.g. compare pewdiepie and pokimane. It's different culturally.
There's about equal space for her and the code.
I've seen lots of videos about code that don't feature anyone's face, e.g. youtube.com/user/briantwill
I've also seen a video from a female creator whose face was actually covering part of the code
Not confused
"please stop embarrassing yourself publicly and stirring up pointless controversy" sounds rather nasty, not polite
you also haven't seen his DMs which weren't particularly polite either
I'm not triggered by a female, but that allegation is a typical woke strategy to intimidate opponents into submission.
I'm talking about other girls because I'm referring to the meme I posted, which does, too.
@MorkSamuel @DuncJake @VapeJuiceJordan @trunarla
and that you find this discussion funny
@MorkSamuel @DuncJake @VapeJuiceJordan @trunarla
That you're "not really mad".
But ok, I understand if you'd rather not continue.
When a criticism is not valid that means it shouldn't be offered, no?
I don't think viewing all people through the same lens is a good idea – there are different cultures for different people, depending on the ideas we can judge accordingly.
@MorkSamuel @DuncJake @VapeJuiceJordan @trunarla
I think you're lying.
@MorkSamuel @berniemarger @trunarla
If it's normal, then it's typical, no?
@GrnBulls @MorkSamuel @DuncJake @VapeJuiceJordan @trunarla
If you don't know yet what I'm getting at, how can you say my take is "dumb"?
Seeing as how aggressive some of the responses are, that means ppl aren't really allowed to criticize or even question this area, which is bad. That in itself makes it worth looking into.
"I'm really trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here that you're not trying to be rude"
Thanks. You're one of the few.
I think it's relevant because it's an example of social dynamics around female culture that's worth discussing.
@MorkSamuel @DuncJake @VapeJuiceJordan @trunarla
This topic shouldn't make you this mad. I suggest we take a break and resume when you've calmed down.
No and no. But since you now agree that 'normal' doesn't mean 'shouldn't be criticized', I think you should re-evaluate your previous tweet since it seems to rest on that assumption.
@MorkSamuel @berniemarger @trunarla
It's upwards of 90%.
How do you know that? What's your standard for judging that?
And it's clearly not a woman thing to do
I have pointed out that not only women do this.
@MorkSamuel @DuncJake @VapeJuiceJordan @trunarla
OP said having her face in the video makes the video more personable. That's a social criterion. It's not, say, to improve the quality of the code.
@MorkSamuel @DuncJake @VapeJuiceJordan @trunarla
Because women gain social status from looking cute and having many male admirers. Men also gain status from being admired by many women, but men don't get that by looking cute. Think of female game streamers who dress up, those streams aren't really about the games.
@MorkSamuel @DuncJake @VapeJuiceJordan @trunarla
There's also the point I made to someone else about how that kind of criticism might actually help women, so purposefully withholding it is not doing them any favors.
@MorkSamuel @DuncJake @VapeJuiceJordan @trunarla
I asked questions and offered some mild criticism. That isn't misogyny.
@MorkSamuel @DuncJake @VapeJuiceJordan @trunarla
I'm not sure we agree what misogyny is. Somebody asked me to look it up earlier, and I did, and it said hatred and mistrust of women. But I do not hate or mistrust @trunarla. Why would I? I don't even know her.
@MorkSamuel @DuncJake @VapeJuiceJordan @trunarla
This is now the fourth time you've claimed that every streamer shows their face.
@firstcapes @OneRedwood @trunarla
On the contrary, I think some of the responses I've been getting here are full of vitriol. I've remained calm and matter-of-factly.
@MorkSamuel @DuncJake @VapeJuiceJordan @trunarla
I have said that some male streamers do this, too, btw, albeit for different reasons, so there's still a cultural difference there. That difference can be explored without hatred or anger against me.
@MorkSamuel @DuncJake @VapeJuiceJordan @trunarla
This is now the third time you've claimed that all streamers show their face, you don't need to keep repeating it.
@MorkSamuel @berniemarger @trunarla
Yes I've seen streamers who don't show their face.
@firstcapes @OneRedwood @trunarla
Pls link to an article from my blog that you think is "[f]ull of absolute tripe and anger".
@Mikeymi72465975 @trunarla
Yea her code in the middle is pretty hard to see, her face is clearly the focus.
I once saw another video by a female coder who had to move the bubble with her face around because it covered up the code too much.
It has been suggested before that all streamers (well, content creators) do this and it is simply not true.
To be clear, you're saying that things that are normal (i.e. widespread) shouldn't be criticized?
You could equally assume that my opinion is reflected – just because it differs sufficiently from yours doesn't make it unreflected.
That I find something noteworthy about the video does not mean I'm bothered by it. Even if I were to criticize it, that wouldn't necessarily mean I'm bothered by it, as in I'm feeling negative emotions. I'm not.
Not all content creators do this. youtube.com/user/briantwill is a widely viewed one that doesn't.
And content creators include podcasters, which are audio only.
I will, but I don't think that answers my question.
"your behavior" You sound like you're talking to someone you want to discipline.
So you want to take it private because you're doing me a favor or because you don't want to risk the same backlash yourself? Or some other reason?
Misogyny means hate or distrust of women, I don't hate or distrust the woman that I asked. So no one does not have to be a misogynist to ask those questions.
Misogyny is not 'I'm a woman and was asked a question I don't like'.
I don't think any of those are hateful or nonsense.
First two are jokes. Last two are criticisms of wokeism.
From a single question you conclude that I'm talking nonsense? That isn't a very charitable interpretation.
Also consider this: twitter.com/dchackethal/st…
Pointing out cultural differences between men and women is not evidence of "deep-rooted biases against women". Nor am I upset.
I think you're reading my comments through a prejudiced lens. You haven't given it a chance, or tried to consider that I may be right.
Pls provide a quote of something of mine that you consider "hateful nonsense".