Dennis Hackethal’s Blog

@SenorMustachio @tripencrypt @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

definitely

@cwcooper @yesimrite @EKStewartNH @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

i agree that parents have obligations toward their children
where we disagree is whether it is morally right to use force to fulfill them

@cwcooper @Acelamerican @EKStewartNH @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

silly to think we need to force kids to take baths to have a 'functioning society'

@cwcooper @Acelamerican @EKStewartNH @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

not killing or maiming people should indeed be enforceable because it's a violation of their rights (and a form of abuse, so if you're against abuse, that same reasoning should lead you to reject force against kids)

@ForLangley @EKStewartNH @JoGoTyRo @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

no. this is where you get to say 'ah, of course, that's why he believes such silly things'

@yesimrite @EKStewartNH @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

no, yes, no

ah, the old traffic argument: blog.dennishackethal.com/posts/libertar…

@OverThinkStuff @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

forcing someone to make the bed, forcing someone take a bath, yes

@lpha3ch0 @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

indeed

@kahloun @EKStewartNH @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

as a counterexample, i was persuaded as a child that brushing my teeth was a good idea and necessary, and then i did so happily and routinely
same for hygiene in general

@AgnusDeitox @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

that's actually a great example of a routine yet gross violation of a child's freedoms

is forcing you to do things you don't want to do not abuse?

@AgnusDeitox @SMooreesq @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

'making them' do anything is wrong
call it something other than abuse if you want, it's still wrong
if eating something other than sugar is such a good idea you should have no problem persuading a child of that

@mentalplex @EKStewartNH @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

maybe so but i don't get why ppl immediately think 'if i don't force my kid to bathe he will never bathe' that just isn't true

RT @ZubyMusic:
What was the silliest, least scientific 'pandemic' policy?

RT @StephHoover8:
@ZubyMusic

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RT @jabster42:
@StephHoover8 @ZubyMusic

Why were the police allowed to be together in a group like that?

Seems dangerous.

@SK83R @redscorpion7777

Der ist aber nicht Mitglied des Bundestages.

@ssylvan @EKStewartNH @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

Yes Sebastian

@Sir_Mart_Ash @EKStewartNH @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

Sexual abuse isn’t the only kind of abuse

@Sir_Mart_Ash @EKStewartNH @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

i'm not

@EKStewartNH @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

Do you know any toddlers?

yes

They are reflexively contrarian.

😱😱 You're right, let's fix those little shits!

@pelipperkoi @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

no (and fair warning i haven't looked into them much and only have a vague idea of what they want)

@EKStewartNH @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

I have a very clear conscience about things like baths and toddlers.

you said "everything is against a toddler’s will." meaning you think all you ever did was coerce your kids. yet you have a clear conscience.

@EKStewartNH @JoGoTyRo @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

no. washing a toddler when he has agreed to be washed isn't against his will. playing games with a toddler when he has agreed to play isn't against his will. comforting a toddler when he wants to be comforted isn't against his will. and so on

@EKStewartNH @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

i think you know the answer is 'yes it is abuse'
and you're afraid of the consequences
that's why you 'bow out'
when in reality there is nothing to worry about

@EKStewartNH @JoGoTyRo @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

if washing is so important youll have no trouble persuading your child

@EKStewartNH @JoGoTyRo @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

it's not just about washing someone
it's about washing them against their will

@EKStewartNH @JoGoTyRo @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

washing someone against their will, or doing anything against their will, can cause great harm
for one it harms the bond between parent and child
it harms the child's autonomy
it harms the child's rights
the list goes on

@EKStewartNH @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

let me rephrase for clarity:

given that someone forces you to take a bath, is that not abuse, yes or no?

@EKStewartNH @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

i don't know what adl means (activities of daily living?) but i don't think you've answered my question

@JoGoTyRo @EKStewartNH @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

ok google says "cruel and violent treatment of a person [...]" and "
use or treat in such a way as to cause damage or harm" that sounds right

@EKStewartNH @Acelamerican @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

as i've said emergency situations are different

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@EKStewartNH @Acelamerican @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

You have outstanding/unanswered questions:

twitter.com/dchackethal/st…
twitter.com/dchackethal/st…

Why answer yours if you don't answer mine?

@Acelamerican @EKStewartNH @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

i told you i wasn't gonna be able to convince you

@Acelamerican @EKStewartNH @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

they wouldn't let you walk away

@Acelamerican @EKStewartNH @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

i say this irrespective of my childhood

@yesimrite @EKStewartNH @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

if somebody physically pushed you into a bathtub right now and submerged you, you wouldn't consider that abuse?? or some form of violation of your rights as a human being?

@Acelamerican @EKStewartNH @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

yea it's usually child educators who are the worst child abusers

@Acelamerican @EKStewartNH @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

somebody comes along who still thinks you can't make rational decisions in your own best interest in your current situation where neither need nor want any guardian

@Acelamerican @EKStewartNH @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

i don't think you know enough about epistemology to make that claim

@Acelamerican @EKStewartNH @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

ok
somebody comes along who still thinks you can't make rational decisions in your own best interest
so now he forces you to do the things he'd want
not great is it?

@Acelamerican @EKStewartNH @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

"Teaching kids that they can’t be selfish little cunts"

you're disgusting

@Acelamerican @EKStewartNH @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

yea that sounds really gross
how would you feel if somebody 'made you do' anything

@Acelamerican @EKStewartNH @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

that I agree with (although i'd guess it's the adult who shouldn't be permitted to act on it?). in any case, you can agree with that and still see that child abuse (sexual and non-sexual) is rampant in society

@Acelamerican @EKStewartNH @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

Children clinically before the age of around 8 do not have the mental capacity to execute higher reasoning.

That can't possibly be true because learning language is an impressive intellectual feat.

@Acelamerican @EKStewartNH @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

"it is bad for society to permit that"

children do not owe anyone a functioning society

@Acelamerican @EKStewartNH @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

What activities constitute abuse?

twitter.com/dchackethal/st…

Do you mean the same freedoms as adults?

I'm still hashing this out myself but I think so, yea. There may be some exceptions but overall yes.

@Acelamerican @EKStewartNH @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

that still isn't very encouraging but ok here goes
my view is not that children are like adults
but that each child is his own person and has a right to freedom
and that child abuse is disgusting and wrong
i'm influenced by takingchildrenseriously.com

@Acelamerican @EKStewartNH @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

if you'd still consider it insane it wouldn't change your mind

@Acelamerican @EKStewartNH @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

that's not quite my point but if you already characterize my view as insane, what i could possibly say that would change your mind?

@EKStewartNH

so, to be clear, your view is that it's not abuse if the perpetator considers it necessary, yes/no?

@EKStewartNH @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

please answer whether someone forcing you to take a bath would be abuse

@EKStewartNH @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

in emergency situations i agree but taking baths isn't such a situation

@EKStewartNH @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

i don't think 15 yo's are typically bathed by their parents??

@EKStewartNH @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

btw this wasn't a rhetorical question

@EKStewartNH @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

i don't think so bit it could be neglect
but there's a peaceful alternative to force: persuasion

@EKStewartNH @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

no

@EKStewartNH @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

to be clear i'm speaking morally not legally
plenty of abuse isn't recognized legally but should be

@EKStewartNH @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

if someone forces you to take a bath, is that not abuse?

@fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

almost always yea

i think there are some cases where forcing someone to do what they don't want is reasonable and not abuse, such as enforcing a contract they entered willingly and don't want to honor anymore

@jamesbolge73 @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

i didn't give an analogy but yes forcing someone to eat brussel sprouts is abuse

@fakeaarontweets @tripencrypt @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

‘You’re a troll.’
Denies being a troll, explains view.
‘Nah you’re a troll anyway.’

RT @BabyBing217:
@dchackethal @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

You are legit STUPID AF..but please keep tweeting...🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣…

@tripencrypt @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

Just because my views are sufficiently different from yours doesn’t make me a troll. Consider that grounding a person is really, really evil.

@tripencrypt @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

Yes

@SMooreesq @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

Probably, yes, as most of us were for years on end.

@BabyBing217 @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

Yes it is. If somebody made you clean yours you’d surely consider it abuse, so why should your children have fewer rights than you.

@BasOMatic @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

I disagree strongly

@valley_kid1 @fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

I don’t know what TPS is but “my boss forces me to” is a common equivocation of the word ‘force’.

@fakeaarontweets @JoeReynolds2020 @FreeRangeKids

Not a lawyer and I haven’t read the piece but 2) seems right to me since forcing someone to perform an action they don’t want to perform is abuse whether that action is dangerous or not.

@PR0GRAMMERHUM0R

Can never be sure enough

@micsolana

"Mr. Bankman-Friedman"? I thought his name was Bankman-Fried.

@Karl_Lauterbach

Gewichte heben schadet nicht. Stichwort Gesundheit

lol wut twitter.com/unusual_whales…

@welt

blog.dennishackethal.com/posts/death-se…

@the_pirch @_TheFanMan_ @a_nnaschneider @WELTAMSONNTAG

Wenn Sie ohnehin [...] mit Blick auf die Konsequenzen entscheiden müssen, [...].

Ihnen sind die Konsequenzen wohl wichtiger als mir.

@the_pirch @_TheFanMan_ @a_nnaschneider @WELTAMSONNTAG

Im Gegenteil koennte man dann die Maxime heranziehen, um die Heuchler entsprechend zu verurteilen.

@the_pirch @_TheFanMan_ @a_nnaschneider @WELTAMSONNTAG

Finde ich nicht, denn "im Allgemeinen" sagt ja bereits aus, dass die Maxime fast immer gilt. Also sind wir wieder bei der Ausgangsfrage: Wenn auch diejenigen, die die Maxime befuerworten, es schwer finden, entsprechend zu handeln, macht das die Maxime doch nicht schlecht.

@the_pirch @_TheFanMan_ @a_nnaschneider @WELTAMSONNTAG

Ich sehe in seinem Text auf dem Foto mind. einen Fehler sowie Szientismus.

@the_pirch @_TheFanMan_ @a_nnaschneider @WELTAMSONNTAG

Wir vermuten, dass eine Idee wahr ist, weil sie noch nicht widerlegt wurde (Karl Popper).

@the_pirch @_TheFanMan_ @a_nnaschneider @WELTAMSONNTAG

Um Ihre Frage also etwas zu ändern: Nützt es den Mitmenschen, wenn man im Allgemeinen nicht lügt? Ich denke, ja.

@the_pirch @_TheFanMan_ @a_nnaschneider @WELTAMSONNTAG

Ich hatte bereits „im Allgemeinen“ gesagt. Es gibt Situationen, in denen man durchaus lügen sollte (altes Beispiel: Nazis klopfen an der Tür und wollen wissen, ob man Juden versteckt).

@the_pirch @_TheFanMan_ @a_nnaschneider @WELTAMSONNTAG

Warum stellen Sie eine ja/nein-Frage, wenn die Antwort für Sie zu ‚absolut‘ wirkt?

@the_pirch @_TheFanMan_ @a_nnaschneider @WELTAMSONNTAG

Vielleicht wäre es besser, stattdessen vom Wahrheitswert zu sprechen: Jede Idee ist entweder wahr oder falsch.

RT @a_nnaschneider:
Heißt das Bürgergeld eigentlich Bürgergeld, weil es die Verachtung für (bürgerliche) Leistungsträger ganz besonders tol…

@PR0GRAMMERHUM0R

It’s actually really exciting seeing Musk work on a web app in real time.

@the_pirch @_TheFanMan_ @a_nnaschneider @WELTAMSONNTAG

Wenn es nur um die Nützlichkeit geht, kommt man m. E. schnell in Teufels Küche.

@the_pirch @_TheFanMan_ @a_nnaschneider @WELTAMSONNTAG

Der Wahrheitsgehalt und die Nützlichkeit einer Idee sind nicht dasselbe und korrelieren auch nicht immer. (Sie stimmen dem vermutlich bereits zu, ich sage es nur der Klarheit halber.)

@the_pirch @_TheFanMan_ @a_nnaschneider @WELTAMSONNTAG

Ja

RT @LPNational:
And just like that, promises of “student loan forgiveness” magically disappeared! 🪄

@FOTORABIA1 @iamkosmonaut

Maybe one day. It’s a good goal to work toward 🤗

@wesbos

Array.from strikes me as more readable than the splat operator

@ClimateWarrior7

The flag is turning into a topology puzzle

@FOTORABIA1 @iamkosmonaut

Then I guess I’m boring

@the_pirch @_TheFanMan_ @a_nnaschneider @WELTAMSONNTAG

Nehmen wir an, der Urheber (wer auch immer das gewesen sein mag) hat oft geluegt, auch in Situationen, in denen es nicht notwendig war, und viele weitere Vertreter der Maxime luegen auch oft. Ist die Maxime also schlecht? Ich wuerde sie deshalb nicht aufgeben. Wuerden Sie das?

@the_pirch @_TheFanMan_ @a_nnaschneider @WELTAMSONNTAG

Ich dachte, die Philosophie sei was anderes als die exakte Wissenschaft, Stichwort Empirie?

Aber gut, nehmen wir eine andere Philosophie. Nehmen wir die Maxime, dass man (im Allgemeinen) nicht luegen sollte.

@Jesusvonkoelle @FelixHa60143095 @derspiegel

Der letzte Satz war unnötig.

Eine Abweisung ist zwar kein Urteil. Dennoch gut zu wissen.

@the_pirch @_TheFanMan_ @a_nnaschneider @WELTAMSONNTAG

Das würde ich so nicht unterschreiben, aber die Frage ist m. E. nicht weiter relevant. Wichtig ist für unsere Zwecke erstmal nur, dass der Geisteszustand des Urhebers den Wahrheitsgehalt nicht bestimmt. Sonst hätten Sie den Geisteszustand vermutlich in Ihrem letzten Tweet genannt

@FelixHa60143095 @Jesusvonkoelle @derspiegel

Wie genau quantifizieren Sie 'viele'?

@the_pirch @_TheFanMan_ @a_nnaschneider @WELTAMSONNTAG

Genau wie in der Wissenschaft und auf jedem anderen Gebiet: Der Wahrheitsgehalt einer Idee wird vom Inhalt der Idee bestimmt.

@Jesusvonkoelle @FelixHa60143095 @derspiegel

Dazu gibt es Urteile? Das war mir neu.

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