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"How can we build beneficial AGI?" is yet another "Who should rule?" question. It should be replaced with "How can we detect our errors in building AGI?" and then, once built, "How can we help AGI learn?"

@FallingIntoFilm @ToKTeacher

Stopping doing one thing and starting doing another is easily programmed and doesn’t involve the halting problem.

@EvanOLeary @ReachChristofer

It wouldn’t need to be made of DNA. If it wants to study chemical reactions they can be exosomatic.

@EvanOLeary @ReachChristofer

Ah, yes. Though to be clear, an AGI running on a computer is a completely non-biological phenomenon. No genes required.

@EvanOLeary @ReachChristofer

That's fine, but then I still don't understand your original comment: twitter.com/EvanOLeary/sta…

@EvanOLeary @ReachChristofer

Sure. But in order to learn about music?

@EvanOLeary @ReachChristofer

Why would it have to be able to perform organic chemical reaction experiments in order to be able to learn anything?

@EvanOLeary @ReachChristofer

Not sure I follow. Care to elaborate? I don’t think any biological substrate is needed.

@bnielson01

Hehe indeed.

I’m... not even mad. The article should be titled “In Flagrant Disregard of Computational Universality”. Some real gems in there. twitter.com/CloserToTruth/…

@reasonisfun @HeuristicWorld @dela3499 @ToKTeacher @Crit_Rat @RatCritical @BretWeinstein

Yet they can, and frequently do, lead to death. I suspect this is similar to how genes have to keep their hosts alive but often don’t.

@HeuristicWorld @ToKTeacher @reasonisfun @Crit_Rat @dela3499 @RatCritical @BretWeinstein

Thanks.

“But all we need to know is that for an expensive belief to travel through history with some population over a long period of time, it must be paying its way somehow.”

No. Static memes don’t survive by solving problems (“paying [their] way”).

@ChurchoftheSim @HeuristicWorld @ToKTeacher @reasonisfun @Crit_Rat @dela3499 @RatCritical @BretWeinstein

LOL, "rational religion". Classic example of a static meme trying to compromise, creating garbage in the process. "Sure, 100% religion is bad, but let's reduce it only to 50%" (or 20% or whatever).

@HeuristicWorld @ToKTeacher @reasonisfun @Crit_Rat @dela3499 @RatCritical @BretWeinstein

Broadly speaking: Yes, absolutely. It denies creativity by claiming that everything important that can be known is already known, it punishes dissent, creates bad explanations... in short: actively prevents progress.

I am not familiar with Weinstein's take on it.

@madeofmistak3

The discovery of the equivalence of software engineering and reason, if I say so myself.

@KittJohnson_

Possible, but unimportant. A single UTM could simulate all of that.

RT @DavidDeutschOxf:
My robotic TED talk is online at last: ted.com/talks/david_de…

@RatCritical @HeuristicWorld @ReachChristofer @B_crawford_19

Thanks, but it appears my most recent comments were rejected. So was a post I made today.

Is there a way to permanently whitelist me? I am not that active on Reddit otherwise, so I have no idea how soon my comment karma will rise to sufficient levels.

@physicsJ

Could one do a brisk walk near the poles of the earth as well to keep up?

@ReachChristofer

I wrote detailed responses, but apparently they were all removed because my Reddit karma is not high enough to post comments in this Subreddit.

A critical discussion of @ReachChristofer's latest episode with me. twitter.com/FoundAtaraxia/…

@markcannon5

"There is no distinction between the computer and the program. They are one and the same."

Utter nonsense.

@ReachChristofer @SamHarrisOrg @DavidDeutschOxf

A correction to a mistake I made: our computers are technically not Turing complete because they have finite memory. We may choose to consider them Turing complete for practical purposes.

@NickHudsonCT

Any run of the mill computer also has software interacting with hardware and vice versa. It does not chance the distinction between the two.

The "neuroscience of learning": topos.house/residency.html

The brain is a computer. People learn via a program on that computer. We need to study that program, not the computer.

@aroraharshita33 @james_ough

Here's your answer: you could, but only by increasing the brain's processing speed somehow.

The second link states you're trying to understand how humans learn. That's the right question to ask, but have you looked into whether we already know a fair amount about this? (We do.)

@MartvMegen @ReachChristofer @SamHarrisOrg @DavidDeutschOxf

Yes. Can you guess why?

I was on @ReachChristofer's podcast. We spoke about evolution, knowledge, machine learning, and the benefits of building AGI - among other things.

Thanks for having me!

soundcloud.com/doexplain/2-wh… twitter.com/ReachChristofe…

@DoqxaScott @DKedmey

Yes. Computation is when you use physical objects to represent abstract ones.

@DKedmey

We have a good explanation of computation, no?

RT @ChipkinLogan:
Episode 3 of Fallible Animals, titled Progress as Error-Correction, is out now on iTunes, Youtube and Spotify!

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@ChipkinLogan

Nice! Also, looking forward to learning about constructor theory.

RT @PessimistsArc:
'The Decline of Intellect' (The New York Times, 1900)

“The human intellect, like “the service” has long been “going to…

@madeofmistak3

Good.

@FamilyGuyonFOX

He's so smooth

@ks445599 @markcannon5 @dela3499 @DavidDeutschOxf

I’m guessing he’s talking about weighted connections between neurons as inspired by neural networks, AKA coefficient matrix. Not about weighing ideas.

@dela3499 @DavidDeutschOxf

Hmm. How does one emulate it without an explanation?

@DavidDeutschOxf

You write in “Possible Minds” that “digital immortality [...] is on the horizon for humans, too, perhaps sooner than AGI”. What technology are you thinking of here?

@HermesofReason

Nvm, I found it: it was called the "Fifth Generation Project" but I cannot find that it was meant to lead to AGI through hardware improvements.

I seem to remember a project for a supercomputer in the 1970s or so. Its architects hoped its speed and memory would lead to AGI. I vaguely remember it being a Japanese project.

I cannot find this online. Does this ring a bell with anyone?

RT @JulieBorowski:
Climate alarmists need to chill. https://t.co/9rJ4XAkP9T

@physicsJ @MorganMJohnsen @businessinsider

Thank you, that's fascinating!

RT @physicsJ:
Light Speed – fast, but slow
#scicomm https://t.co/LfoZ3g38DK

@physicsJ @MorganMJohnsen @businessinsider

Ooh - you mean sometimes the earth pulls harder than others?

@physicsJ @MorganMJohnsen @businessinsider

I noticed the yearly added distance doesn't decrease steadily, but jumps around a bit. Why is that?

@astupple

You slightly misquoted it, which made it harder to find, but I found that passage.

I'd like to help you, but can you clarify what you're struggling with? Popper says right afterwards that if a theory doesn't predict more than the problem you're explaining, you get circularity.

@AijeCarvajal @ToKTeacher

Alternatively, read chapter 1 of "The Beginning of Infinity" by David Deutsch.

@AijeCarvajal @ToKTeacher

That was not blame. Do you not need to learn more philosophy? Do you already know everything about philosophy?

The source or format of an argument shouldn't matter, but if it has to be me, you could listen to soundcloud.com/dchacke/artifi….

@AijeCarvajal @ToKTeacher

I am familiar with the common sense conception of knowledge. It is wrong. You need to learn more philosophy in order to understand this.

A good paper to get you started is sciencedirect.com/science/articl…

@AijeCarvajal @ToKTeacher

Automatic or not, that is knowledge. It is encoded in genes. Knowledge does not require a knowing subject.

@MatMcGann

Thanks.

RT @DavidDeutschOxf:
Moral inversion: blaming the nemesis of slavery for slavery; lamenting the existence of the USA; etc.

Blaming the Wes…

@MatMcGann

Thanks. What book is that extract from? I see the author is Richard L Gregory?

@MatMcGann

Fascinating. What book is this?

@ks445599 @SuUm4ya @HunterBergsma @RortyWitt

But that was not your question. I agree that capitalism couldn’t be phased out without coercion. Trying to end capitalism always ends in theft and violence.

Capitalism is what allows for creativity in the first place.

@ks445599 @SuUm4ya @HunterBergsma @RortyWitt

I made a mistake. I misread your tweet as saying “How do you phase out coercion and authoritarianism? Can’t be done”.

To which my answer is, yes, coercion and authoritarianism can be phased out and that would be pure creativity.

@ks445599 @SuUm4ya @HunterBergsma @RortyWitt

Sure it can. Such a state would be pure creativity.

@ChipkinLogan

I don’t know. Just remembered hearing somewhere that Einstein predicted more bending. You may well be right.

@ChipkinLogan

Nice. BTW I think Newtonian physics does predict the bending of light by gravity: physics.stackexchange.com/questions/2983…

RT @HumanProgress:
In the year 353, a bishop called Hilary of Poitiers predicted that the world would end in just 12 years, in 365. It is a…

Is he serious?? @BernieSanders is trying to actively destroy a beginning of infinity: that of wealth creation. Static memes galore. twitter.com/BernieSanders/…

RT @PessimistsArc:
When things are scarce pessimists say “The glass if half empty!”

When things are abundant pessimists say “The glass is…

@wster @woj_zaremba @OpenAI

Indeed. @woj_zaremba is actually talking about the prerequisites of being an effective universal constructor but doesn't realize it.

There are only two prerequisites for intelligence:

1. Universal computation
2. Creativity

More disappointments coming out of @OpenAI.

Only humans are intelligent, for only they have the universal ability to create new knowledge. And winning is only ever achieved through knowledge, not environments or tools. twitter.com/woj_zaremba/st…

Reactions to @GretaThunberg’s speech are as rehearsed as the speech itself. “Wow, such condemning words from a child, how inspiring.” She’s a victim of static memes, as is the agreeing audience.

RT @DavidDeutschOxf:
@richarddorset

You don't have to wait for the apocalypse to find hell on Earth. There are millions of people in it rig…

RT @DavidDeutschOxf:
I don't think Kant's "sapere aude!" is a great motto for the Enlightenment, but it has its moments, and this is one.…

@AW43755181

Given a universal system, any errors it contains have no bearing on its universality. Unless we are mistaken about its universality.

It can improve in other domains: speed, efficiency, reducing unintended side effects, etc.

@AW43755181

What do you mean by “imperfect”?

RT @andrewdoyle_com:
Okay. I know this photo is going to come out eventually. So I may as well get it over with.

Many years ago, I dressed…

RT @unherd:
"Needless to say, the last thing the world needs right now is yet another book by a straight white cis male" | @TitaniaMcGrath…

@JeffLadish

A good mantra. But: a better question to ask is "how can we detect and correct errors"?

@DavidDeutschOxf

One thing I should have said differently: the goal absolutely is to build AGI.

The Labrador Energy podcast interviewed me about AGI when I was in Berlin. As always, heavily inspired by @DavidDeutschOxf:

radiopublic.com/the-labrador-e…

@madeofmistak3

You just did.

Congrats, @jessykate et al. I'd like to one day look up at the moon and see lights of cities shining back down on us, like those photographs of nighttime on earth. twitter.com/DavidDeutschOx…

@bnielson01 @Unendedquest @RatCritical @RealtimeAI @reasonisfun

Because lack of such a signal shows weakness. A weak man is less likely to be successful because he can be pushed around. A strong man is more stable and therefore a safer investment.

@Unendedquest @RatCritical @RealtimeAI @reasonisfun

This is not because women don't want to push buttons (twitter.com/reasonisfun/st…); they may decide to actively push buttons until the man signals that preparedness. Men generally do not require this sort of signaling from women.

@Unendedquest @RatCritical @RealtimeAI @reasonisfun

In relationships, it is typically women who expect men to signal the preparedness to leave anytime so they (women) feel safe investing emotionally in the relationship.

@Unendedquest @RatCritical @RealtimeAI @reasonisfun

Yes. Being prepared to leave isn't enough: things are only less likely to go wrong after one has signaled one's willingness to leave. Until then, an adversary may bet on one's not being prepared to leave and act accordingly.

@RealtimeAI @reasonisfun

That doesn't answer my question. I can see that it will make repeated violation of boundaries less likely. Those won't repeat if you walk away. But I don't see why it makes the first violation less likely.

@reasonisfun

Why does being prepared to leave make things going wrong less likely? You're still waiting for the first thing to go wrong to trigger your leaving, no?

RT @HumanProgress:
It took five days to reach the U.S. East Coast from London in 1914. Today, it takes half a day. buff.ly/2Und18R

@JohnFStifter

No. Computational universality implies that no brain replica is required to build AGI. It’s simply not a question of hardware. No sensory input required either.

I explain this stuff here: soundcloud.com/dchacke/artifi…

@JohnFStifter

Correct; you need a processor to run those lines.

@Hugoisms

Will you consider writing appendices called "Can machines eat?" and "Can we eat machines?" as a nod to Philomena Cunk? I'm still laughing about that clip!!

A great example of how empiricism, reductionism, and violation of computational universality sabotage research in artificial intelligence. twitter.com/QuantaMagazine…

@Hugoisms

Which problems?

@sleepdiplomat

Say you sleep poorly one night and don’t end up getting the 7 hour minimum. Do you then stay in bed longer in the morning trying to fall asleep again, or do you get up around the usual time so as to not mess up the regular schedule?

RT @Hugoisms:
Me after I read The Fabric of Reality and learned about computation https://t.co/XW1xwJ53Yj

@Hugoisms

YES I’d love a computer I can eat!

@caerwy

I don’t disagree that marks on paper can represent abstract entities.

I’m saying that consciousness requires information processing, and a piece of paper is only memory.

The piece of paper “knows” how to multiply given the right marks, but it can’t multiply without a processor.

@bnielson01 @ks445599

But why wouldn’t the AGI have access to existing knowledge?

@bnielson01 @ks445599

Interesting. Why not?

And why do you think one mind may already contain multiple UEs?

@bnielson01 @ks445599

I wonder if it would have access to existing knowledge in the host’s mind.

@caerwy

But the piece of paper is memory only, without processing. So it can’t have consciousness on its own.

Is it your making marks that instantiates consciousness? Hard to believe, too.

@ks445599

Go on. Why not?

Knowing how to multiply is required to multiply, but different from it: there is having knowledge and applying/running it.

If a person understands how to build an AGI, and runs this knowledge, does that instantiate a second person in their mind?

@Giovanni_Lido

Not that I know of, unless a client like SoundCloud or Apple Podcast gives you a way to do it.

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